Clean Slate, Grab It

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  1. First! Good morning Boneheads welcome to Thursday. I am not at all disappointed at Gorton moves or lack there of. It appears the necessary work that needs to be done to return the Rangers to contender status will be done over the summer. He knows what this team needs, can he accomplish that is the question.

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  2. Right now I almost wish they haven’t overachieved…Got people’s hopes up for this season. They’re the softest team with the softest coach and they’re getting bounced in the first round. I have high hopes that Gorton will fix things over the summer.

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  3. Good morning, boneheads!
    File my name under “not disappointed” too. Gorton did the right thing. Addressed their defense, probably slightly overpaid for Smith. One extra pick, or perhaps one of the picks could’ve been lower. But what if Smith works well with McD? Wishful thinking? Who knows, he may be a better option than what they have now.
    He didn’t add a difference maker upfront. But those were either not available, or would require dismantling their core.
    Everyone was clamoring for a physical 4th liner. But let me ask you this: The way this team is constructed, do you really think one physical player, with TOI at around 10 min, would make a difference? Or are they better off enhancing what made them successful so far and dressing the 4th line that could be a scoring threat?
    Bottom line is, he didn’t give up much and addressed their main need.

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  4. Did AV play soft as a player? Or has it been his personnel in Vancouver and here? It’s an eternity ago, but what kind of team did he try to have in MTL? Fast or thumpers?

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  5. With AV’s roll 4 lines (and 3 D pairs) strategy; the 4th line is an integral part of this team (and any team). The idea that they (or the bottom D pair) only play 10 minutes so it doesn’t matter is not accurate. Is it more important for the stars to play well who get more ice (ahem, Step); yes.
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    The challenge with this team is they have 12 top 9 forwards because Pumps and Puree are not possession players. Fast going down, playing his best hockey on the 4th line with Oscar, is a big blow. If they added a complementary possession 2-way player on that 4th line (or two), it would have made that line an asset, not the liability it is now.
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    Everyone wants to get on the NHL 3.0 ‘Speed League’ bandwagon but who did Pitt play on their 4th line last year? 4th liners..
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    Glad Gorton didn’t overpay. He knows this team is not built for a long run.
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    LGR!

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  6. I don’t think the team plays any “softer” than most other teams do these days. Are there exceptions, sure but lets not forget we beat these same Caps a week ago? We have done very well against the west (again) too. Its not that we can’t and don’t win against the teams that still play a more physical checking game.

    Where I think this team has an issue is in the motor/motivation department. Too many games they have Jeykl and Hyde periods (not always in the same order). That is just perplexing to me. Is it conditioning? Desire? Mental? If this team comes out and plays hard for 60 minutes they can win a series against any other team. The concern is that they do not.

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  7. Finding out that Smith and McD are former teammates that were occasionally paired together at Wisconsin makes the move somewhat more satisfying. While it’s not Kevin “I only cost 3 picks” Shattenkirk, they obviously addressed or attempted to address getting the captain a steady partner while not giving up the farm

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  8. I don’t remember if I’ve ever complained about the team being “soft”. I can tell you this though, come playoff time you need a team that can play in the dirty areas, absorb hits and nastiness and dish it right back and score from tough areas of the ice. You’re not going deep into the post season by scoring on the fly no matter how much skill you possess.

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  9. Seems fairly straightforward to me. Gorton and AV had a plan going into the season, their plan has worked, and they’re not going to suddenly revert to someone’s imagined Plan B in the face of: success.

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  10. Donuts says Smith can skate and is feisty. We have a bunch of guys who qualify on the first count, a feisty we could use. From his lips to God’s beers.

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  11. This should be a tough stretch coming up, what with Zibanajad, Fast, Girardi, Grabner, Klein in various stages of dinged. Smith now looks like a genius move, perhaps an indication that the Klein/Girardi situation is worse than we may think. We saw the effect the prolonged Mika absence had, Grabner was slumping even before Gerund popped him, and I don’t know who replaces Fast’s leadership. He’s been my favorite Ranger this year by a mile, you rarely see the guy take a shift off, and while his skill set is easily replaced, his example may not be. No surprise to me that AV has put him through many lines, as if to indicate to various passengers the level of effort he’s looking for.

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  12. As in hockey, as in life: the toughest guys are not necessarily the boxers. Toughest guys keep coming at you and don’t give up.

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  13. Fast has been challenged in his NYR career in playing the puck. This most recent stretch with Oscar on the 4th line showcased an improved ability to make an NHL quality pass that was missing in his game.
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    A bad habit that he has slowly rid himself of is holding the stick with one hand in board battles. With two hands on the stick he has the ability to move the puck quickly (Fast?) and maintain better balance to not get knocked off the puck so easily.
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    However, it does not help you absorb a jumping charge along the boards by a 230 lb ape.

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  14. So it’s a coincidence that Fast was at his most effective playing on the 4th line 10 minutes a night. And that leadership thing, I spit coffee out of my nose I laughed so hard. Give me a break.

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  15. With the excruciating pain of a separated shoulder (?), Quickie went to the bench instead of straight to the room. Wouldn’t catch me doing that.

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  16. On Grabner,
    As soon as teams started matching there top pair D against that line, Grabner struggled. It is probably time to put Grabner where he was originally signed to play.

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  17. Norm talks about fast (in no way shape or form saying this in a negative context) in the exact same way many here talked about Prust etc…skill set replaceable, heart not so much.

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  18. I think the first round is going to be fascinating regardless…every potential playoff team that lacked some sort of sand paper or playoff experience added it to some degree.

    On any given night any team can beat another team, in a 7 game series that becomes a little less true. Couple that with “costly” wins (or in the case of the last game vs caps costly losses), injuries obviously play huge factors.

    It will be fun and interesting.

    Re AV and the past…the Rome hit changed everything about his style..cost the Canucks the cup imo.

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  19. BDL and RR2, are you saying you don’t see the value of Fast’s brand of leadership, or are you defining it more narrowly, e.g. letter on the sweater? (And you might want to look at a game log, BDL, before you throw out inaccurate TOI numbers.)

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  20. Sorry that I missed the fun yesterday, but I had a bad reaction after the eye doctor’s visit and was on the IR yesterday. The deadline was about as boring as can be – a lot of swapping out of deckchairs on the Titanic as far as I could see 9and i couldn’t see that well). I have to guess that three factors played a part: Expansion Draft, so-so regular Draft and a flat salary cap for next year.

    Yeah, Gorton probably paid too much for Smith but given the injuries to Girardi and Klein he didn’t have much choice as he was dealing from a point of weakness.

    It is amazing how everyone goes nuts about the Rangers being so soft. How soft were they the first two times they played, and beat, the Capitals? Getting a Steve Ott is not going to make the difference. When everyone is healthy, the Rangers have enough size to compete. The problem is the players not using their size. Not sure if that is on the players on the coach.

    Also, remember that the Rangers played the other night without Girardi and Klein in the lineup. Granted they aren’t big hitters or overly physical, but they are the second coming of Beck and Beukeboom when you compare them to Clendening and Kampfer.

    The only thing I might have looked to bring in would have been a fourth line center who can win faceoffs, but I don’t know who was available. Anyhoo, it always seems that the asking price for players is always higher when the Rangers come calling. Not sure who said it here, but I bet the Wings wouldn’t have done McIlrath and fourth for Vanek if it were the Rangers and not the Lightning (of course Hollnad might have wanted to help his old buddy out).

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  21. In his last handful of games, Fast has played, 11 minutes twice, 10 minutes once, 13, 15, 12, and 14. The last couple he was with Nash, and Stepan. When he plays 4th his minutes are down, and his effectiveness is up.

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  22. Thanks for correcting the record, BDL. And the “leadership board”–I assume a reference to the Cs and As?–is RR2’s creation. I think Fast’s leadership by example is unquestionable and that his upcoming 0 minutes per game is not a good thing.

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  23. In my mind, not making any moves also sends a message to the current players: Gorton likes these guys together and likes their potential. Seems to me that it’s a really great vote of confidence, even though he would have made a Sather-esque move if they were really going for it. That can galvanize a lot of them and bodes well for offseason work and next year’s performance.

    I think that the effect of this vote of confidence could be squandered if the coaching staff is not replaced, though. You guys have far better informed perspectives on whether or not that would happen, but I really don’t see how AV can come back given the Jeckyll/Hyde nature of the team.

    I’d bet that Gorton is placing more faith in his players than his staff at this point.

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  24. Norm, I’m not talking about letters on sweaters. I’m talking about the “leadership group” of the team. Ain’t nobody looking down the bench at Fast for inspiration.

    Is it bad that he’s out? Sure. He’s better than Puempel and Pirri, both of whom will play in his absence.

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  25. If Smith proves to be a good partner for his Badger buddy McDonagh, could the Rangers defense in 2017/18 look something like this:

    McDonagh-Smith
    Holden/Staal-Shattenkirk
    Staal/Holden-Skjei
    Clendening

    Of course for it to work, Girardi has to be bought out, Klein either in Vegas or traded, Smith re-signed and Shattenkirk signed (Would it be asking too much for him to give us a bit of a hometown discount?)

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  26. I didn’t see anybody that switched team that would have turned a 4th place team into a Cup contender. No, not even Shattenkirk. I’m not sure what the Rangers lack (other than consistency), but whatever it is it didn’t appear to be available at the deadline

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  27. If Gorton didn’t have any confidence in AV he would’ve fired him already. Easiest thing to do, especially since his extended contract only counts against Dolan’s income.

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  28. Norm, replace Fast’s name with any other 4th liner that has been in and out of here.

    If only they tried as hard as Ortmeyer/Betts/Prust/Dorsett/Moore/etc.

    He isn’t that good at hockey. They will live.

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  29. It’s not that there are 3 teams in front of the Rangers, so they suck. It’s that two of those teams have shown to play more consistently than the Rangers. Can the Rangers win the Cup? Sure. You never know what happens when the playoffs start, but at this point can you say that they look to be as good a team as Washington or Pittsburgh? I don’t think so.

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  30. At this point last year did anybody say that Pittsburgh sucks? Do the Rangers have any player on the roster comparable to Crosby?

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  31. carp, I disagree, I won’t jump on any bandwagon, it would be just 1 game, got to win 4, they win 4, than yes and I would admit I was wrong.

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  32. What is Bobby Holik is paid like a 1st line center? No Hard Cap back then, didn’t matter…
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    NHL Power Rankings ESPN.com + (current Vegas Odds): 4th in Eastern; 7th in league
    Hawks 17/2
    Wild 5/1
    Caps 9/2
    Pens 19/2
    BJs 10/1
    Sharks 15/1
    NYR 11/1
    Preds 25/1
    Ducks 20/1
    Habs 12/1

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  33. Pittsburgh more consistent? Is that the same Pittsburgh that lost this season to Columbus and Washington 7-1? And the Rangers 6-1? And had that 8-7 game against the Caps? And is 5-5-1 in their last 11? That’s the more consistent team?

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  34. This over reacting by some gets very tiring. I love how if some one says this team isn’t the greatest, others here instantly interpret that as you are saying they suck. That’s just dumb, sorry but it is.

    This is a top 10 team in the regular season, not top 5, but probably 6 or 7. Does that mean I think this team sucks?!

    The playoffs are a different bird and this team in the playoffs is tbd.

    AV is not the worst coach in the league, but he isn’t a proven cup winner either (a lot of very good coaches aren’t…humpty comes to mind immediately). I personally do not like his “whistle to whistle” coaching philosophy but that doesn’t make him a terrible coach, just means I don’t like that philosophy. He does make bad decisions at times and good ones, but no coach is perfect.

    This team as a whole reminds me of Gomez…if I had a dime for every time Gomez got within half a stride of delivering a check and then turned and didn’t, I’d buy us all lunch for a week. The players on this team do that rountinely…30 plus times a game. Other teams finish their checks constantly (see capitals, Washington for a recent example). The rangers have several players with the check finishing mentality, but they don’t do it…I attribute that to coaching (and not in a good way).

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  35. I read somewhere the package St. louis wanted from the rangers was a lot more than what the craps gave up because the blues GM knew that Shattenkirk wanted to go to the rangers and the rangers needed help on the blueline.

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  36. also, Wick, speaking only for myself … There are some people who say they suck, day after day after day. Those are the ones I mock. I agree with most of you guys who point out their deficiencies, and there surely are a few deficiencies. Which is why I consider them a next-level contender after the Big 3.

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  37. “but he isn’t a proven cup winner either”

    Um, neither are any other coaches that have never won. And what does winning a cup once get you today? Keenan, Crawford, Hitchcock, among others with one on the resume who are unemployed. Bylsma and Sutter aren’t in a playoff position.

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  38. Wicky – Yeah, I took exception to saying that just because I called them a fourth place team, that I said they sucked. That kind of stuff is what douchebags on other sites do.

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  39. Potent offense, great goaltender and Gorton just addressed defensive depth. Rangers have enough to make some noise in playoffs

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  40. Grabner had goal called back last game due to the rule that should and will be changed this off season. whether the back foot is on the ice or couple inches above is irrelevant.

    I wanted the goal to count in large part due to keeping the wolves away regarding him and his place in the lineup.

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  41. Wicky

    Vancouver had to go at least 9 defensemen deep due to injuries or suspensions. Hard for any team to overcome that in cup finals.

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  42. Alex,
    Grabner earned his place in the lineup. That entire line has slowed down since the other teams stayed paying more attention to them. Also, I get what I am about to say is going to sound foolish, but I think the best place for the Rangers leading goal scorer is on the 4th line. Buchnevich, and Vesey on the 4th line does not work. They both need to be top 9. Grabner is good enough that he create and get opportunities on the 4th line.

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  43. Nash, Stepan, Zucc
    Kreider, Zibanijad, Buchnevich
    Vesey, Hayes, Miller
    Grabner, Lindberg, Fast.
    One goal lead late, Grabner replaces Vesey, and Fast replaces Buchnevich.

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  44. BDL- you make more sense than you think. Neither Vesey or Buchnevich can be effective 4th liners. And it was tried. Grabner on the 4th, with a lot of PK time will do much more damage, and require opposing teams to adjust their lines, than those two.

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  45. Grabner doesn’t need to play with better linemates. He’s scoring off of breakaways that he’s going to get regardless of which line he is playing on. And he isn’t creating opportunities for his linemates, hence his Cy Young stat line. Would he get more attempts with better linemates that would spring him for breakaways more often? Absolutely.

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  46. Gum?

    That’s an interesting package.

    Yeah, it’s from China. Go ahead, try a piece. Tell me that’s not the most delicious gum you’ve ever tasted.

    Yes, yes. We shall all try a piece and tell you how delicious it is. (he

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  47. Miller and Hayes have been sending a lot of those passes to Grabber but agree he belongs on 4th with Butch/VC in top 9.

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  48. All of this getting our undies in a twist about lines is pointless unless guys like Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Zibanejad, and Zuccarello start scoring some goals. And I think it has a lot less to do with their linemates and a lot more to do with them getting their hands dirty and taking a lot more shots.

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  49. While I agree he needs more in all three zones, he’s still showing a hell of a lot more in the neutral and defensive than Richards ever did, albeit, he’s showing a lot less in the offensive zone than Richards did.

    Even at his worst, most broken down, washed-up self, Richards was still dangerous when the puck was on his stick in the offensive zone. But then, and only then. And he did very little to make sure it got there. Right now, with Stepan, I count two Rangers passes from when it touches his stick in order to know the next time the Rangers might have a chance at scoring a goal. Oftentimes, the Rangers are no longer in possession within that time frame.

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  50. Opie always has a stretch like this during the season. He should put him back with Kreider for a while.

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  51. RR2, this full-time teaching that I’ve returned to deprives me of valuable Bonehead time. Coming up for air, when you say “replace Fast’s name with any other 4th liner that has been in and out of here”, I understand your point and the examples you name are good ones. But I would disagree that any 4th-liner will do. He’s the guy this year, and maybe Vegas picks him off and they get a replacement, or he leaves for other reasons. But there’s nobody on the roster, yet, who brings it the way he does (meaning, consistently) and they need him. 4th line, perfect. Occasional goal or assist, fine. PKs, protect last-minute lead, yes. Role player and a damn good one.

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  52. Liking your lines, BDL. Here’s hoping they can stay healthy and get to that target. Buchnevich needs to earn it, of course, but here comes his [last?] chance, as Pirri and Puempel. The latter two have a lot of proving to do, doubt they’ll come up with the goods.

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  53. Kreider likes to get the puck while he’s bursting through the nuetral zone. I like a righty center to make that pass.

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  54. “AV sucks. He’s never won a Cup.”

    how do you like the Wild this year?

    “They’re awesome. They have a great coach and balanced scoring”

    ……..

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  55. Agreed, Doodie. Vesey and Nash have brought out the best in each other at times when on the same line. Grabner had cooled off again. I get that his speed helps Miller and Hayes on that line but I think at the moment they’d benefit from Buchnevich on the RW there or even back with his preseason linemates which could help get them going a bit. plug holes on the fourth line with the Pirri’s and Puempels of the world in Graby and Fast’s absence.

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  56. Buch-Mika-Kreider was awesome offensively during camp and in the early season, but still was on ice for pretty much every goal against during that stretch. And Zibanejad has missed his man, and his line has been on the ice, for a boatload of GA lately. I don’t understand it.

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  57. Agree on Zibanejad. While I wouldn’t call this season a disappointment, it’s certainly a tough break kind of year for the kid. starts to find his stride then breaks his leg going into the boards and hasn’t looked too good since coming back. Would be nice to see him heat up over the final stretch here.

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  58. Since they’re impersonating beached whales, perfect time to extend Girardi and Staal without any salary raises, and lock them in for 5 or 6 more years. πŸ™‚

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  59. And Doodie, I think the Wild have been excellent (but that Parise. woof). But my point was just that Bruce Boudreau probably takes a lot of heat from different fan bases as another coach who has impressive regular season teams but has yet to win a Cup.
    I’m sure people criticize some of his decisions too. At the end of the day, AV has won a lot here since he’s been at the helm. But that’s a lot of the fan base. on pace to be a 50 win team in a top 4 finish and should be sellers at the deadline.

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  60. I’m curious to see what he does this postseason without a platoon goaltending situation.

    Parise has not been up to snuff this year. His body is worn down. The Wild are in big trouble for the second half of that contract.

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  61. If this Smith trade works out and stabilizes the first pairing on the regular, we may actually be in decent shape. Holden/Klein along with Girardi can make up the third pair

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  62. which goaltending platoon, Doodie? And you’re right about Parise. But think about how many players on how many teams you can make that point about. It’s why we’ll be in the midst of another lock out sooner than later

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  63. D-Line Combos:
    Leetch-Beukeboom
    Park-Girardi*
    Beck-Zubov

    *I wanted another righty shot but everyone I want to put in is a lefty: McDonagh, Vadnais, Greschner, Lowe, and Neilson. I ended up with Girardi because he was one of my wife’s favorite Rangers and I still need to keep her happy or she will come back and haunt me.

    Interesting thing I never realized, the four Rangers d-men from my youth Park, Rolfe, Seiling and Neilson were all lefty shots.

    Point to ponder – Emile Francis tried trading for Vadnais when he was with the Seals. I wonder how the Rangers fortunes would have turned out with Vadnais added to the big four. Does Francis trade Park/Ratelle to Boston for Espo without a Vadnais coming back in return?

    Before I forget, the goalies are Richter and Lundqvist. It killed me to not list Giacomin, but no Cup means he’s out – which is why Richter is my starter.

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  64. In case no one’s noticed, they have 15 games this month. 11 of which are against Eastern Conf along with the lovely West Coast trip through the big 3 in CA. So yeah, at least a couple of players may want to find their game sometimes soon…

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  65. Zika playing with THE and Zucc; not exactly Erixon and Nemchinov but only one minus game since his return (CBJ -2) even though that stat doesn’t count.

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  66. Gibson-Anderson, Hiller-Anderson, Varlamov-Theodore-Neuvirth.

    Dubnyk is the unquestioned starter. This is the first time in Boudreau’s coaching career there has been such a clear #1 on his team.

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  67. I’d put chi, Pitt, was, minn, sj (in no particular order) ahead of the rangers for different reasons.

    I understand a coach isn’t a “cup winner” until he wins it, but AV can’t seem to close it out. He gets his team there (credit where credit is due), but hasn’t won it. Humpty, hasn’t got there yet (does that make AV a better coach than him…maybe). I thought the point of the whole thing was to win the cup, you know…Stanley cup championships. I mean piling up a lot of victories (longevity is great…I’m sure the owners like the revenue if winning teams and playoff revenue for a round or two), but seems like the championships should be a factor of measuring success.

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  68. Speaking of 4th line centers who would play the body during the playoffs…wonder if they made a play for Boyle? Toronto overpaid for sure, a 2nd rounder is way too steep for a 4th line rental – not sure what Lou was thinking there.

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  69. Lou was thinking, I have an extra 2nd rounder, the team has overachieved, and I should get them some help to let them know I believe in them. Why Boyle? 100 playoff games experience.

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  70. Wicky always capitalize “Stanley Cup Championships”…if you don’t it tender to piss off the hockey gods and then they crap on your team and give you players like Wade Redden for 25+ years…

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  71. If there was one thing the Leafs needed, it was a playoff veteran. Boyle is second only to Hagelin in playoff games since 11-12. The total combined playoff GP for the Leafs is 239. Boyle has more than double the playoff GP than the next highest Leaf (Polak-49, 24 of which were last season). Aside from Polak, Martin, Hunwick, Smith, and Anderson, no one on that team had even been to the playoffs since the epic collapse against Boston, and only JVR had ever been to the playoffs before that, too. Boyle was a great depth add for them.

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  72. You don’t know that, BDL. what gives you the right to make that assumption? Maybe Lou was thinking that he could go for a large pie with sausage peppers and onions…or a nice golf outing at pebble beach. Surely you can’t just assume the man was thinking so in depth about his team at that precise moment. πŸ™‚

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  73. I wouldn’t be surprised if he went back to Tampa but I’d be very surprised if it was on 7/1. Tampa has a lot of cap problems for next year. If Boyle really wants to go back there, he will have to wait until they can figure out how to fit him in.

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  74. doodie you left out that with Boyle, there’s someone there to sit at his locker with a backwards hat on his head and answer questions after the games. I kid, but in seriousness Boyle is a solid locker room guy. One who preaches accountability. It was a wise pick up

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  75. Boyle hated AV. AV didn’t want Boyle. And AV doesn’t want lumbering guys. So, I doubt they considered that move.

    anthony, I have no problem with the 2011-12 Girardi being in your group. But another RH who was pretty good was James Patrick. And he had the skills to play AV’s system.

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  76. True about Tampa. even without Flippula’s contract on the book they are in rough shape. Wonder what the buy out on Callahan’s contract is..

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  77. The difference back in Patrick’s day was that the defensemen were still required to play defense, Carp.

    As for Boyle, I didn’t realize he disliked AV. I know he wanted third line responsibilities and not fourth.

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  78. Thanks Carp. I completely forgot all about Patrick. I wanted a more defensive partner for Park, but Jeep fits in just as well.

    On sad note in the hockey world, Helene Elliott is reporting that long time Kings play-by-play announcer Bob Miller is going to be retiring due to poor health. Whenever the Kings were on at a reasonable hour I always made sure to listen to Miller and Jim Fox.

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  79. Doodie,

    NBC showed graphic I saw with boyle being number one at 101 playoff games compared to hagelin 97 the last 5 years.

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  80. To think that Zubov put up at least 40+ points for 11 straight years (7 seasons of 50-70) after they traded him makes me sick. Even in the first year of the Jagr era when the dark years were done he put up 76 points. But instead we got the last few years of Ulfie’s NHL career

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  81. Stralman Bros. Band:
    “I’ve got to runnnnnnnnnn to keep from blockin’ cause I’m bounnnnnnd to get my game rockin’ but I got one mo’ month to go now…cause they’re not gonna get me no, not gonna get me to elevate my game- before the plaaaaaay offffffffs”

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  82. Zubov was regular season leading scorer in ’94
    Trade him and Nedved to get Last Legs Ulfie and Lucky Luc.
    Nedved scores 99 pts in first yr with pens
    Zubov has 66pts and is a +28
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    oy

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  83. IIRC, one of the reasons Neil Smith made that deal was because the Rangers got (literally) run out of the playoffs by the Flyers in four games. In an attempt to get tougher, he made the deal. Who knew that Ulf would “find religion” and become a clean player with the Rangers.

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  84. So Donn Clendenon knocks Grabner out with a crosscheck in practice. With all the D around, he’ll be playing a lot going forward once everyone is healthy. NOT.

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  85. Lots of chatter today. What I’ve discovered is… Norm is really AV. Nobody shows so much love of Fast other than AV! (He’s ok and Norm does have a point about he’s one guy that seems to be busting it when on the ice)

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  86. I hate everybody.

    Also … Zubov bailed big-time in that Flyers series. It was a brutal trade, but if Robitaille had done what he did every other year in his career, it would have been much less brutal. And if Ulf had knees. Still, Leetch won a Norris with Samuelsson as a partner.

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  87. Nice photo on page 42 of today’s daily news of a player leaving his skates to hit and injure an opponent. I wonder if the charger was Sean Avery and the injured player was Sidney crosby,how many games would the suspension been.

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  88. No, Mama, it is not just a name, – it is my particular pleasure to call someone 3 times younger than me the MAMA.

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