wicky….. Marc Joanette was one of refs standing around with no call when Stephan almost got killed by Prust last Canadien Series and that was in Garden… do you think he will be any better in Montreal?
I already dont like Eichel and the kid’s barely played in the league. Not that I necessarily think Bylsma is a top-10 coach in NHL but come on kid shut your yap and play.
Anaheim’s sweep is exactly why I dont do predictions anymore. I had Calgary in 7 because Ducks cant win Game 7s at home. I was about as wrong as I could have been
BDL – Coaches do come and go. So Bylsma being employed by the Sabres should not have deterred Eichel from signing an extension. The way that team was going, he probably would’ve been fired next off-season anyhow. But now Eichel looks like a problem child. If I’m an NHL coach looking for a job and Buffalo comes calling, I’m wary of this kid now.
first, going back to last thread, Lundqvist has yet to get a coach fired.
second, and I’m not pretending to have any info, I believe all Eichel did wrong so far is NOT endorse a coach he may or may not have known was going to be fired. Kinda jumping to conclusions to say he got the coach fired, especially since the GM went too.
Maybe that owner up there deserves some blame?
When you let the star run the show, you find out you’re in the one-on-one isolation world of the NBA where it makes perfect sense. When you let the star run the hockey team: cancer. Completely different culture. If it’s accurate reporting (rather than the sensational variety) that Eichel gave the ultimatum, what coach is going to want that job now? A good one? A coach who loves a 20-year-old (who plays 1/3 of the game, max) and all the other players know it? Tricky business.
“first, going back to last thread, Lundqvist has yet to get a coach fired.”
That’s not what some people have suggested. He’s frequently been implicated as one of the mutineers.
As for Eichel, a report came out saying that he would not sign if Bylsma was still the coach. Then his denial said everything except that he would sign if Bylsma was still the coach.
The Buffalo News has started speculating as to new coach and GM of the Sabres. Outside of the obvious Dean Lombardi/Darryl Sutter combination, they manage to bring up anyone has a connection to the Sabres (Lindy Ruff, Chris Drury), a connection to Terry Pegula (Kevyn Adams, who runs an Pegula-owned hockey academy), or a connection to Jack Eichel (his B.U. coach David Quinn).
You would have to think Eichel is the front man on a bigger problem. Bylsma publicly embarrassed there other young star player ( name escapes me), you would have to think that did not go over well with the team. Guessing this is more than just Eichel.
For what it’s worth, Eichel was only coached by David Quinn for one year at BU, and I believe he was actually recruited by Jack Parker, Quinn’s predecessor, so I don’t know how close that connection is.
I dont know… i feel like Richards and a bunch of other guys (including the core) were blamed for Torts being fired with less evidence. And if that was the case, at least they all had a few years in the league to back up.
Not sure that Eichel did anything wrong but pretty sure Buffalo Management mishandled timing and should have waited a few weeks before making these moves
Wasn’t Torts his number-one mutineer? Loved the fire, but his Hagelin-sucks sort of comments, which were honest and which I suppose journalists loved, were hardly designed for longevity. Bland statements are the way to go with folks who buy ink by the ton. Or no statements at all (Belichick school).
I will report that as soon as I know for certain, which will probably be never. But I have good reason to know who wasn’t. Some non-mutineers were fine with the change, but weren’t mutineers.
What makes you say that? I thought Torts and Girardi had a really good relationship. No one bought into the shot blocking more than Girardi.., well, maybe Callahan..
I wouldn’t imagine the Rangers would stand in Drury’s way. Maybe they could get the Sabres to make Eric happy and send Evander Kane as compensation 🙂
I agree it might be to soon for Drury to run a team, but if they brought in an experienced hand as President or Assistant GM it could work.
As for the Eichel/Quinn/Parker connection you have to figure Quinn doesn’t get the B.U. job if Jack Parker doesn’t sign off. Quinn, along with Jim Montgomery of the University of Denver, are two hot collegiate names being kicked around. For Eichel’s sake, it better not be Quinn or it is going to look a lot like Bylsma’s firing was Eichel’s handy work. True or not, it is a perception a player does not need.
Torts picked McDonagh, Stepan and Dubinsky for Team USA.. plus coaches Dubinsky now… so either Callahan or Richards. We all know what happened with Richards towards the end.. if Cally was involved I’d love to hear that story
Lev,
Like I said, reading between the lines. It has been brought up here a few times that Giradi would waive his no trade to go to Columbus. Each time Carp has replied that Columbus would be the last place he would waive it for.
Doodie – If I were Drury I wouldn’t go to Buffalo for an assistant’s job either. I meant him as the GM with an experienced hand as President who handles the administrative stuff and acts like a sounding board – kind of like Glen Sather does now 🙂 Unless Buffalo follows Toronto’s game plan and installs Drury as President (like Shanny) and brings in a veteran to be GM (like Lamoriello).
I didn’t realize that Drury is involved in the management of Team USA in the World Championships. You have to give Eichel credit for agreeing to play for the U.S. Depending on the playoffs finish up, the U.s. might have a decent team of NHL players for a change.
If my fading memory serves me correctly, Torts put the team through some very taxing workouts upon returning from the lockout which seemed to rub some vets wrong, particularly the ones that did not stay in shape…
.
Torts was gone by the summer after getting knocked out by Bs with Cally, Richie Rich and Nash basically no shows in those playoffs with a combined 4 goals in the 12 games.
I think the only one who nearly dropped dead in the “taxing” post-lockout workouts, if they were really taxing, was 19. Because he mailed in the entire lockout — didn’t work out, got involved with the union, then couldn’t skate that short season.
I would LOL if it was Tax Free, who was at the center of everything when Torts was here, ended up defending Torts when the Avery “fire this clown” message hit only to end up on the 3rd line with no more power play time under AV, and forced his way out of town with his contract demands.
I bet it was Bran Bole. Wasnt he playing on 4th line? Something he didnt wanna do anymore and thought that new coach (AV) will give him a different role but AV still kept him there and so Bole ran to another team thinking fresh start, new role to only end up on the 4th line anyway?
New York center Don “Bones” Raleigh set a Stanley Cup record with his second overtime goal in as many games as the Rangers downed the Detroit Red Wings 4-3 in Game Five of the 1950 Final. The win proved to be the Rangers’ last of the series as Detroit went on to win the final two games and the Stanley Cup.
That was a series this Rangers team could embrace. The 1950 Rangers played their two “home games” in Toronto because of the circus and split their “home games”.
More hockey history – yeah?!? 🙂 The 1950 Rangers were the last team to be awarded the O’Brien Trophy. That trophy was given out for a variety of accomplishments (four in total), but from 1939 to 1950 it was given to the team that lost the Stanley Cup Final. The trophy is in possession of the Hall of Fame.
Even if Lundqvist was not active mutineer, his comments at the end of the season refusing to commit long term were supposedly part of the reason Torts was canned.
Richie definitely, for one. Others perhaps. Absolutely no one on earth likes to be vociferously yelled at and demeaned so often as Torts did. That said,more than any ‘uprising,’ my pet theory is: 1. Torts calling out the owner at a press conference with the owner standing there. 2. And have a feeling Torts said something smartass to Slats, sealing his fate.
Look boys, all that matters now is that AV is here. he’s a real good coach. knows the game well. Doesn’t get excited when they aren’t getting their looks. They got 100 points. And they know what they have to do…sounds much more promising in French maybe?
Reading some of the comments on both the Torts and Bylsma firings is why the true story should be told to the public, even if they have to “sugar coat” the story with corporate-speak. (You know like United Airlines saying Dao was “re-accommodated”)
People hear and read rumors and they even make a lot of sense, but nobody knows the truth except the team.
As for tonight’s game, I’ll probably miss the first period, but get home in time to see the rest. If the Rangers are down by more than a goal after one, I’ll need a sedative before settling down in my chair.
True RR2 but Kunitz is the sixth guy in TOI with a 0 goals and a whopping 5 assists in 1.5mins/game. Pretty sure I could get 5 assists playing with that group
Carp, when you say “he loved Hagelin, and vice versa” and that he was joking, I believe you, of course. And I’m sure that stopped you from irresponsible reporting. Did it stop everyone? I refer you to: https://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/hagelin-on-his-power-play-abilities-i-dont-stink/ as one of the many delighted articles on the quote in question. Too many jackwags with typewriters out there to ever be other than bland.
Rangers Report 2.0 
Step with the Broadway Hat tonight. You heard it here first.
LikeLike
wicky….. Marc Joanette was one of refs standing around with no call when Stephan almost got killed by Prust last Canadien Series and that was in Garden… do you think he will be any better in Montreal?
LikeLiked by 1 person
One small Step for man.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Montreal typical
LikeLike
I already dont like Eichel and the kid’s barely played in the league. Not that I necessarily think Bylsma is a top-10 coach in NHL but come on kid shut your yap and play.
LikeLike
NHL On-Ice Officials:
Refs
Canada – 32; including Marc Joannette from Verdun, Quebec
US – 8
Russia – 1.
.
Linseman:
Canada – 32
US – 7
.
LikeLike
Emelin a very theatrical type.
LikeLike
Anaheim’s sweep is exactly why I dont do predictions anymore. I had Calgary in 7 because Ducks cant win Game 7s at home. I was about as wrong as I could have been
LikeLike
Ooooh if Emelin is playing…are we allowed to put the Broadway Hat on Habs players?
LikeLike
If Eichel were a Ranger, and he wanted AV and Gorton gone, I would support Eichel. Coaches come and go. Players like Eichel, not so much.
LikeLike
BDL – Coaches do come and go. So Bylsma being employed by the Sabres should not have deterred Eichel from signing an extension. The way that team was going, he probably would’ve been fired next off-season anyhow. But now Eichel looks like a problem child. If I’m an NHL coach looking for a job and Buffalo comes calling, I’m wary of this kid now.
LikeLike
first, going back to last thread, Lundqvist has yet to get a coach fired.
second, and I’m not pretending to have any info, I believe all Eichel did wrong so far is NOT endorse a coach he may or may not have known was going to be fired. Kinda jumping to conclusions to say he got the coach fired, especially since the GM went too.
Maybe that owner up there deserves some blame?
LikeLike
When you let the star run the show, you find out you’re in the one-on-one isolation world of the NBA where it makes perfect sense. When you let the star run the hockey team: cancer. Completely different culture. If it’s accurate reporting (rather than the sensational variety) that Eichel gave the ultimatum, what coach is going to want that job now? A good one? A coach who loves a 20-year-old (who plays 1/3 of the game, max) and all the other players know it? Tricky business.
LikeLike
or, did Eichel actually say he would not sign if Bylsma was the coach? I am asking because I honestly don’t know.
LikeLike
From what I’ve read, the ultimatum rumor originated at a Buffalo sports radio station.
LikeLike
“first, going back to last thread, Lundqvist has yet to get a coach fired.”
That’s not what some people have suggested. He’s frequently been implicated as one of the mutineers.
As for Eichel, a report came out saying that he would not sign if Bylsma was still the coach. Then his denial said everything except that he would sign if Bylsma was still the coach.
LikeLike
His implication as a mutineer would be incorrect.
LikeLike
The Buffalo News has started speculating as to new coach and GM of the Sabres. Outside of the obvious Dean Lombardi/Darryl Sutter combination, they manage to bring up anyone has a connection to the Sabres (Lindy Ruff, Chris Drury), a connection to Terry Pegula (Kevyn Adams, who runs an Pegula-owned hockey academy), or a connection to Jack Eichel (his B.U. coach David Quinn).
http://buffalonews.com/2017/04/20/sabres-fire-murray-bylsma/
LikeLike
At some point an NHL team is going to be smart and hire Julien BriseBois (Tampa Bay’s Assistant GM) as an NHL GM.
LikeLike
I wonder if A) the Rangers would allow Drury to go or B) if he would want to move.
LikeLike
You would have to think Eichel is the front man on a bigger problem. Bylsma publicly embarrassed there other young star player ( name escapes me), you would have to think that did not go over well with the team. Guessing this is more than just Eichel.
LikeLike
For what it’s worth, Eichel was only coached by David Quinn for one year at BU, and I believe he was actually recruited by Jack Parker, Quinn’s predecessor, so I don’t know how close that connection is.
LikeLike
I think it’s too soon for Drury. He hasn’t been doing what he’s doing long enough.
But I absolutely think they would let him go and that he actually would go.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Wonder what Vesey knows about Buffalo’s situation.
LikeLike
One day soon, will you share with us who the mutineers were, Carp?
LikeLike
I dont know… i feel like Richards and a bunch of other guys (including the core) were blamed for Torts being fired with less evidence. And if that was the case, at least they all had a few years in the league to back up.
LikeLike
Not sure that Eichel did anything wrong but pretty sure Buffalo Management mishandled timing and should have waited a few weeks before making these moves
LikeLike
Reading between the lines, I gather Girardi was one.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Wasn’t Torts his number-one mutineer? Loved the fire, but his Hagelin-sucks sort of comments, which were honest and which I suppose journalists loved, were hardly designed for longevity. Bland statements are the way to go with folks who buy ink by the ton. Or no statements at all (Belichick school).
LikeLike
I will report that as soon as I know for certain, which will probably be never. But I have good reason to know who wasn’t. Some non-mutineers were fine with the change, but weren’t mutineers.
LikeLike
What makes you say that? I thought Torts and Girardi had a really good relationship. No one bought into the shot blocking more than Girardi.., well, maybe Callahan..
LikeLike
Norm, he loved Hagelin, and vice versa. That was Torts’ way of telling the reporter(s) they were dead wrong, and it was said jokingly.
also, we’ve seen that Hagelin is hardly equipped to play the power play.
LikeLike
Carp said one guy is no longer here so I’m guessing it’s either Callahan, Dubinsky or Richards….
LikeLike
Richie Rich excoriated Torts. Why anyone would listen to him is beyond me.
LikeLike
I wouldn’t imagine the Rangers would stand in Drury’s way. Maybe they could get the Sabres to make Eric happy and send Evander Kane as compensation 🙂
I agree it might be to soon for Drury to run a team, but if they brought in an experienced hand as President or Assistant GM it could work.
As for the Eichel/Quinn/Parker connection you have to figure Quinn doesn’t get the B.U. job if Jack Parker doesn’t sign off. Quinn, along with Jim Montgomery of the University of Denver, are two hot collegiate names being kicked around. For Eichel’s sake, it better not be Quinn or it is going to look a lot like Bylsma’s firing was Eichel’s handy work. True or not, it is a perception a player does not need.
LikeLike
No sense in Drury moving to that disfunctional team to be AGM when he’s in a much better position to sit and learn in a good front office.
LikeLike
Torts picked McDonagh, Stepan and Dubinsky for Team USA.. plus coaches Dubinsky now… so either Callahan or Richards. We all know what happened with Richards towards the end.. if Cally was involved I’d love to hear that story
LikeLike
When people ask if you are celebrating today. #Friday #4/20
LikeLiked by 1 person
Lev,
Like I said, reading between the lines. It has been brought up here a few times that Giradi would waive his no trade to go to Columbus. Each time Carp has replied that Columbus would be the last place he would waive it for.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Great read at: https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/price-vs-lundqvist-is-the-best-nhl-playoffs-story-nobody-cares-about
Let’s hope Hank can prevail in the battle of the “wizards” tonight! LGR!
LikeLike
thought it was pretty much accepted fact that callahan was highly involved in the mutiny, possibly leading the show?
LikeLike
Cally was a Torts type of player.
LikeLiked by 1 person
My Lundqvist comment was tongue-in-cheek, Carp.
LikeLike
I blame Marc Staal – because…
LikeLike
I’m hoping for the best. Plan B is rum.
LikeLiked by 2 people
If Tax Free was involved, it back fired on him.
LikeLike
Didn’t take long for Tampa to regret that contract.
LikeLike
Kane for drury where do I sign.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Doodie – If I were Drury I wouldn’t go to Buffalo for an assistant’s job either. I meant him as the GM with an experienced hand as President who handles the administrative stuff and acts like a sounding board – kind of like Glen Sather does now 🙂 Unless Buffalo follows Toronto’s game plan and installs Drury as President (like Shanny) and brings in a veteran to be GM (like Lamoriello).
I didn’t realize that Drury is involved in the management of Team USA in the World Championships. You have to give Eichel credit for agreeing to play for the U.S. Depending on the playoffs finish up, the U.s. might have a decent team of NHL players for a change.
LikeLike
If my fading memory serves me correctly, Torts put the team through some very taxing workouts upon returning from the lockout which seemed to rub some vets wrong, particularly the ones that did not stay in shape…
.
Torts was gone by the summer after getting knocked out by Bs with Cally, Richie Rich and Nash basically no shows in those playoffs with a combined 4 goals in the 12 games.
LikeLike
Strategy against Bruins was all wrong. We gave up the points and were absolutely punished for it. Also, Merlot line destroyed us.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Dubinsky was long gone before the mutiny.
LikeLike
I think the only one who nearly dropped dead in the “taxing” post-lockout workouts, if they were really taxing, was 19. Because he mailed in the entire lockout — didn’t work out, got involved with the union, then couldn’t skate that short season.
LikeLike
I would LOL if it was Tax Free, who was at the center of everything when Torts was here, ended up defending Torts when the Avery “fire this clown” message hit only to end up on the 3rd line with no more power play time under AV, and forced his way out of town with his contract demands.
LikeLike
LOL @ FIRE THIS CLOWN. I had forgotten all about that
LikeLike
Happy 4/20 everybody
LikeLiked by 2 people
I bet it was Bran Bole. Wasnt he playing on 4th line? Something he didnt wanna do anymore and thought that new coach (AV) will give him a different role but AV still kept him there and so Bole ran to another team thinking fresh start, new role to only end up on the 4th line anyway?
LikeLiked by 1 person
I “borrowed/stole” this from Facebook:
On this date April 20, 1950
New York center Don “Bones” Raleigh set a Stanley Cup record with his second overtime goal in as many games as the Rangers downed the Detroit Red Wings 4-3 in Game Five of the 1950 Final. The win proved to be the Rangers’ last of the series as Detroit went on to win the final two games and the Stanley Cup.
That was a series this Rangers team could embrace. The 1950 Rangers played their two “home games” in Toronto because of the circus and split their “home games”.
LikeLiked by 1 person
More hockey history – yeah?!? 🙂 The 1950 Rangers were the last team to be awarded the O’Brien Trophy. That trophy was given out for a variety of accomplishments (four in total), but from 1939 to 1950 it was given to the team that lost the Stanley Cup Final. The trophy is in possession of the Hall of Fame.
http://www.hhof.com/htmlSilverware/silver_splashobrien.shtml
LikeLike
Bran Bole was on the third line, so no.
LikeLike
For the mutiny to have been meaningful, it would have to have been prominent players.
LikeLike
Thank you, Carp.
LikeLike
Even if Lundqvist was not active mutineer, his comments at the end of the season refusing to commit long term were supposedly part of the reason Torts was canned.
LikeLike
Anyone else besides me sick of dart guy? Also, did anyone here besides me not know cigarettes were called darts?
LikeLiked by 4 people
By process of elimination, if we review everyone Corp sa D was NOT part of it…..
LikeLike
If I had to choose between Dart Guy and Alex Radulov: Superstar, I go Dart Guy all day and all night.
LikeLike
Richie definitely, for one. Others perhaps. Absolutely no one on earth likes to be vociferously yelled at and demeaned so often as Torts did. That said,more than any ‘uprising,’ my pet theory is: 1. Torts calling out the owner at a press conference with the owner standing there. 2. And have a feeling Torts said something smartass to Slats, sealing his fate.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Yeah Carp hasnt commented on Callahan and Girardi so…. 🙂
Apparently Alexei Bereglazov will be signing with NYR?
LikeLike
“You do your job pencil neck, don’t tell me how to do mine.”
LikeLike
I suspect that both Cally and Danny G are company guys and unlikely to whine.
LikeLike
Look boys, all that matters now is that AV is here. he’s a real good coach. knows the game well. Doesn’t get excited when they aren’t getting their looks. They got 100 points. And they know what they have to do…sounds much more promising in French maybe?
LikeLike
That’s great Lev. Who is he?
LikeLike
Wonder if Ruff will wind up back in Buffalo..
LikeLike
Dostoevsky would be a novel signing for the third line.
LikeLiked by 1 person
carp, you always said we’d be surprised by who the mutineers were. And bc of that, Ive always thought Cally and Danny G were two of them.
LikeLike
BDL, Metallurg Magnitogorsk defenseman. 23 years old.
LikeLike
I have no idea :). A new friend for Buchnevich?
LikeLike
“Hmmm…the Rangers have 5 lefties…seems like a good fit, I’ll go there!”
LikeLike
Reading some of the comments on both the Torts and Bylsma firings is why the true story should be told to the public, even if they have to “sugar coat” the story with corporate-speak. (You know like United Airlines saying Dao was “re-accommodated”)
People hear and read rumors and they even make a lot of sense, but nobody knows the truth except the team.
As for tonight’s game, I’ll probably miss the first period, but get home in time to see the rest. If the Rangers are down by more than a goal after one, I’ll need a sedative before settling down in my chair.
LikeLike
Hagelin got 6, yes 6, whole minutes of PP time in 61 games with the Pens this year. Maybe Torts was onto something….
LikeLike
jjp, a tad bit more skill among the Penguins forwards than the 2011-2013 Rangers
LikeLike
True RR2 but Kunitz is the sixth guy in TOI with a 0 goals and a whopping 5 assists in 1.5mins/game. Pretty sure I could get 5 assists playing with that group
LikeLike
He probably doesn’t play with that group. Malkin, Kessel, Crosby, Hornqvist, Letang when all are healthy.
LikeLike
What is Nostradamus -E3 predicting for tonight?
LikeLike
Carp, when you say “he loved Hagelin, and vice versa” and that he was joking, I believe you, of course. And I’m sure that stopped you from irresponsible reporting. Did it stop everyone? I refer you to: https://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/hagelin-on-his-power-play-abilities-i-dont-stink/ as one of the many delighted articles on the quote in question. Too many jackwags with typewriters out there to ever be other than bland.
LikeLike
In fairness, Brooks is a special kind of jackwagon to whom Torts behaved like a special kind of jackwagon.
LikeLike
And there it is, in one laconic sentence.
LikeLike
Grab(ner) it?
LikeLike
O’Reilly was Grabner.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Aaahhh, home to observe the holiday.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Grab’n
LikeLike
Half of these “news’ women show up for work basically nude and then wonder why the smartass egomaniacal O’Reilly’s of the world gape and snort.
LikeLike
Didn’t Anders Lee play for Nostradamus?
LikeLike
So Coos, it’s the women’s fault??
LikeLike
I believe those wardrobes are part of the Fox uniform. Sizzle not steak kind of thing…
.
No Politrix!
LikeLike
I think what Coos is saying is that women should wear 37 pieces of flare to express themselves. Just like Brian over there.
LikeLike
Chachki’s is wrong!
LikeLike
The ratio of people to cake is too big..
LikeLike
We’ll never now if Torts said something to Slats, but if he had I imagine I’d have heard at least a whisper, and I haven’t coos.
And I know that Dolan had no problem with Torts’ remark at the presser. I thought was classic and hilarious.
BTW, did anybody notice Uncle Larry’s lede today? Sound familiar?
LikeLiked by 1 person
NEW POST
LikeLike