Big Day for Rangers

Yesterday was a pretty big day in the course of the Rangers franchise. The repercussions of the activity yesterday will be felt as early as next year, but will reverberate through the team for the next half decade.

It started in the early afternoon when longtime Ranger and de facto 1st line center Derek Stepan was traded to Arizone, together with popular backup goaltender Annti Raanta, for the 7th overall pick  and 2014 first round selection (14th overall), Anthony DeAngelo.

The move was largely cashing out on Derek Stepan’s large and long contract (6.5×4 remaining) before his full no trade clause kicked in on July 1. When he signed it, he appeared to be on a trajectory that would be well worth the dollars. However, in the two years that followed, he stayed relatively flat. Last year he even seemed to regress a bit. So the time was right to move him, as I and many others had advocated from even before the Rangers were eliminated from the playoffs. Losing Raanta will prove unpopular if Lundqvist struggles again this season, but I expect us to have a solid backup in place before the season begins, either by free agency or trade.

DeAngelo is a talented but temperamental 21 year old, right handed defenseman, known for his offensive skills, particularly his ability to quarterback a powerplay. Respected statistician Tyler Dellow (@dellowhockey) noted that in the small sample that was available, Arizona’s powerplay was markedly better with DeAngelo on it. However, given his attitude problems, his defensive play, and the manner in which AV deployed the relatively more defensively responsible Brady Skjei, my gut feeling is we do not see many DeAngelo suit up for many NHL games.

To me, determining the outcome of the trade depended on two things: 1) what we do with the 7th overall pick; and 2) what we do with the cap space. Last night, we found out what they would do with the pick. At 7th overall, the Rangers took what is considered by all draft media outlets as a reach in center Lias Anderson from HV71 in Sweden. The highest I saw Anderson ranked was 11 by Sportsnet’s Jeff Marek. The lowest I saw him ranked was 25 by ISS. Most ranking had him somewhere around 15. Meanwhile, Gabe Vilardi, who was ranked by most draft services between 3-5, with the only outlier being The Draft Analyst that had him at 11.

Reading the projections on Anderson, boy, he sure sounds like a Manny Malhotra esque pick, coincidentally also in the 7th spot overall. Good two way center, not particularly good offensively. His style of play sounds like a blend between Malhotra and Lauri Korpikoski. It just seems like if they were really keen on him, they could have traded down. Anderson, for his part, has signed a two year extension with HV71 and is planning on reporting there for at least next season.

The first part of the trade seems like it was likely a mistake (not quite McIlrath bad since this guy still projects to be a NHL player), so now we have to wait and see what the Rangers do with the cap flexibility. They will need to resign Zibanejad and Fast, while adding at least one more defenseman (possibly two), two bottom six forwards (at least one of which needs to be a center), and a backup goaltender.

The Rangers also selected Filip Chytil with the 21st pick. Most outlets had him as a late first/early second rounder. This pick doesn’t bother me as much, but I sure would have preferred Eli Tolvinen, who is a dynamic scorer. I also would have preferred Klim Kostin, Kailer Yamamoto, and Ryan Poehling.

Barring any trades, Rangers don’t pick again until the fourth round. Last year, my depth pick was Sean Day, who we grabbed in the third. This year, it’s Dylan Samberg, but I think he probably gets taken in the second given the recent rise in his draft stock. I honestly like a lot of guys still on the board, which is why I’m disappointed that they didn’t trade down from 7 if they were intent on Anderson.

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329 thoughts on “Big Day for Rangers”

  1. We’ll they sure wanted this Anderson kid. I hesitate to hammer them for this as this draft seemed to be a crapshoot. Who knows I’d a trade down would have resulted in their getting this kid? If they took a guy at 7 that a scout had rated at 11, oh well. However, this does smell a bit like drafting for need over BPA, which has not worked out for them in the past. The more I think about the trade, the more I think that Stepan was not all that valued around the league. You could not flip him for Justin Faulk? Sami Vatanen? Conor Murphy and a pick? Clearly the Rangers wanted this Anderson kid and valued the #7 quite highly. The next chapter is who they spend the $ on that they now have available.

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  2. Having time to sleep on it, I’m satisfied with the picks. I liked the players regardless – had an issue with the value.
    But anyway – they clearly wanted to make a move up to 3 for Makar or the Finn. When it didn’t happen, they went center. It’s possible that they looked at the remaining centers and thought that of Middlestadt (underwhelming to me), Rasmussen (huge but maybe concerned he’s Brian Boyle), Villardi and Andersson…that Lias is the guy they thought would be the best. And in a draft where they really hammered home the fact that picks 5-15 were interchangeable…they chose to take a little stretch, rather than trade down and hope nobody else took a stretch.
    Malhotra-Korpikoski isn’t an accurate comparison from what I’m reading and watching. His scouting report reads Toews to me. I don’t see a deficiency in his game. Im not saying he’s Toews, but if this guy works out, he’s our second-line center for 12 years. And he’s a safe bet.
    The other kid? His scouting report reads like fan fiction. He has TWO cons – he’s “lanky”at 6’2 190 (but he’s 17) and he was supposed to be a high second rounder. That’s it. They looked at the guys available and liked this one.
    Too much uncertainty at 7 to trade down and risk missing the guy they liked. At 21 they could’ve wiggled down a few slots, picked up a 2nd or 3rd, and still got the guy.

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  3. Not worried about the picks as much as DeAngelo. The more I read about him the more I get the feeling this will be another failed experiment by the brain trust. Emerson Etem 2.0 if you will. Playing w an edge is one thing. His rep is a little different.

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  4. according to brook’s article in todays post the rangers will not sign big long expensive contracts, meaning they won’t sign shattenkirk, we’ll see, hope he is right and Gorton doesn’t follow Darth sathers way.

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  5. Yea, from what I’ve read on Deangelo, it appears he is a time bomb ready to explode. I don’t see him lasting long on the rangers, hope I’m wrong.

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  6. One thing Gorton said between the lines is the cupboard is bare in Hartford.
    Step lost a lot of value this season contrary to fan boy perspectives. Brass got a bigger haul…
    Go get Hanhuis – good on Draws and PP along with size. He and Beverly D’Angelo could improve the PP.
    Still need RD1 – 30 ft pole Shatty

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  7. I don’t agree with the Anderson, Malhotra comparison. Pretty much everything I have read about him say he is top 6. The other guy seems to have boom or bust potential. I have read an awful lot of good stuff about him. Youngest player in the draft, and if were in next years draft, he would have started the season ranked in the top 10.

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  8. Deangelo only 21 …some upside so let’s give him a chance. Question is do they see him as power play quarterback and avoid Shattenkirk as a result

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  9. To avoid Shattenkirk based on this DeAngelo kid would be to consider him top pair potential. I don’t think it’s so much about a PP qb right now as much as it is about finding a top pairing Dman. Hard to imagine they see this kid as that.

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  10. Step is certainly overpaid, but is signed only through age 30. Ergo, it’s not so much a debilitating long-term contract as it is something else, too, which motivated Gorton to activate the jettison button. For an Alternate Captain and an inexpensive proven goalie, we didn’t get anything nailed and certain, only hope.

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  11. The NYR held on to Step for too long, though out of necessity for this past year’s “run.” Hard to get top dollar when the guy has a NMC and the buyer is potentially going to be locked in. AZ probably figures Step would be willing to waive it to get out of there if it came to that.

    Lisa was not an outlandish reach. Guess they felt he would not be there at 21 and they had no interest in any of the many defenders (still surprised at that). If so, they had to get the guy they wanted at 7 even if it was a little rich. Check back in 2021 to know if passing up those guys for Lisa was the right move.

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  12. A lot about what I’m reading about DeAngelo has me thinking of all the similarities to Del Zotto.

    Del Zaster 2.0?

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  13. fair points on Shattenkirk vs DeAngelo but also have to consider price.. just not sure Shattenkirk is going to be worth the cost and contract length it will take to bring him in

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  14. I don’t really care who the rangers have or have nor acquired…fat NO to shattenkirk

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  15. I didn’t think Beuk did too bad w what he was given. Arniel still here. It’s on my to do list to figure out what exactly it is he does so I can criticize him

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  16. LOL James! That is a mystery of the CENTURY! I think we’re more likely to find out where Jimmy Hoffa is than find out what Arniel does!

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  17. AV has to find someone to blame for his failure. Beuk is the latest casualty. I wish someone would hire Arneil, but nobody knows what he does excelpt for the PP, which has sucked for years.

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  18. FYI Buek is changing position not being fired. He’ll join the scouting staff. Word is they want experience on the bench

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  19. Where the hell are my draft prospects from bushwick ave?

    Wtf…I need some representation

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  20. Wonder if stone in Calgary will be available now with hamonic addition and if the rangers would be interested.

    Not a first pair guy though imo

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  21. Gorton was trained by Sather, so no surprise they got fleeced in the trade and then completely screwed up both #1 picks by taking guys rated far below where they picked them. Now he will try to appease fan base by going with the flashy FA signing (Shattenkirk) and hope the fans don’t realize what an awful job he did over past two days. This organization is hopeless. It is long past the time to cut all ties with Sather and anyone associated with him. CLEAN HOUSE AND START OVER!!! REBUILD ENTIRE ORGANIZATION, President, GM, coach, scouts.

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  22. Here I am ism trying to defend carp and now he’s ripping me, sheesh you’d think he hated me or something;)

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  23. Did they get fleeced in the Stepan trade? I’m not there yet. Got a 21 year old O minded Dman with a little crazy to him. A future top 6 center , and cap space. For this year, how they use the cap space is key.

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  24. BDL- cap space, future top 6 center and an offensive D-man who may or may not work out. In that order. Does anyone really think they’re doing both after losing 2 centers?

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  25. Cap space (and Stepan’s NTC kicking in last week) was the reason for the trade. And yes, they might be worse this season, depending on the rest of the summer. As of this moment, they’re much worse.

    CCCP’s cousins are on twitter now. They have no idea what Arniel does, but he needs to be fired.

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  26. I don’t understand this hopeless organization crap, rangers went to the stanely cup finals, 3 conference finals and 1 or 2 2nd round exits. I look at other teams in there division and except for the pens, who has been more successful in the past 5-7 years. The only teams winning cups in this time frame had 2 lotery pick generational players. The only way the rangers could get that is to be the worse team in the league for a few years and still hope one of these generational players are in the draft and you know playing in New York city it will never happen. I also don’t understand how anybody can know how these picks will turn out because you don’t know just typical something to complain about and can we at least wait until the rangers off season is done before we complain that the rangers are going to be a bad team.

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  27. Ask and you shall receive. I asked about Carp and there he is! He does seem a bit perturbed with some members of the Bonehead nation, however. Rightfully so, I might add. If we’re going to take his comments and change things around, he probably feels that he shouldn’t bother commenting.

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  28. The reason I think that is because they may have a few youngsters ( including Graves, Pionk, DeAngelo) who the may think are ready. Maybe that, plus signing Smith ( or similar guy), and concentrating on scoring.

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  29. Yeah, my cousins lol right…

    This Arniel thing is hilarious. Carp is the only one in the “know” about what Arniel does and he’s keeping it all to himself! Fascinating.

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  30. The biggest mystery of human race! What does Scott Arniel do?!

    Is it PP? No?
    Is it PK? No?
    Is it offense? No?
    Is it defense? No?
    Is he AV’s stylist? Could be! That’s it! I think I got it!

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  31. At this point, I am fine with them rebuilding and I was happy to hear Gorton call it a rebuild on the fly. I was happy to hear it because it is what they need to do. I have no problem with their moving players for futures. The current group had a 4-5 year run. They got close but did not get it done. And now the window is closing. They have to prepare now doe the next wave of talent and rebuild a feeder system that is barren. I expect that they will be worse this season, and on the bubble for a playoff spot. IMO, the next time the Rangers raise the cup Igor Shestyerkin will be in their net. Fact is………they got what Derek Stepan was worth to the rest of the NHL. An honest player, a character guy and a yearly 50 point producer for $6.5MM per. These contracts were signed when clubs assumed that the cap would grow faster than it has. They are now albatrosses. Here’s hoping that the Rangers don’t go on a typical Rangers signing binge over the Summer.

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  32. I agree completely. But there is not a #1 out there in free agency unless Jumbo Shrimp comes in to play with his buddy Nash for a couple years. And that is not without risks. Nate Thompson would be a 4th line center candidate, as there does not appear to be anyone in their system to step in there. They also still have to address the D. Here’s hoping that Lindy Ruff can actually develop defensemen and that AV gives him the freedom to do so. From the little we have heard about DeAngelo and our witnessing the way AV handled Skjei, DeAngel0 looks exactly like the kind of player AV banishes to the bench or Prucha-land.

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  33. Time will tell on the Lias kid. The thing that bothered me was him being compared to a fast or Lindberg in same sentence as 7th overall pick.. I don’t watch these guys much outside of memorial cup but it just seems left too many people on board better

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  34. No way they will do it by signing binge. Gorton is pretty clear on what he wants. Who knows, maybe 1 year on Thornton to play with Nash. Won’t win you the Cup, but gives you an opportunity to be competitive while letting your youngsters mature. See what’s available after Nash’s $7.8 comes off the cap.

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  35. Flip at #21 may be the steal if he continues to mature physically; his Dad and bro were both taller and wider.
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  36. No signing binge means no Shattenkirk unless he takes a discount that I would never advise him to take if I were his advisor. Now, if Staal were move-able, it would be different. but that does not appear possible either.

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  37. NA Central Scouting‏ @MarkSeidel

    The point to be taken by everyone so far: The NHL is all about speed. Skating issues = tumble in Draft! Just look Robertson, Hague & Strome!

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  38. Doubt that, BDL. That would be conceding they aren’t making playoffs next year. He could also be a valuable asset by the trade deadline next year.

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  39. Rick Nash has 38 goals in his last 127 games (2 seasons). Would trade him now, his stock will only plummet, especially with another injury. (injured 3 out of the last 4 seasons)

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  40. Tommy
    I look at the rest of the division besides the pens and I see a bunch of other teams that haven’t won a championship (canes in ’06 I think) including the rangers.

    I’m quite honestly not being negative, i just don’t believe in the “making the playoffs” is a success even if you don’t win a championship line of thinking.

    IMO it’s about winning championships and 30 teams that didn’t each year.

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  41. Ilb
    Especially when you consider palat was a 6th rounder and we got our guy at pick 21 😉

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  42. I think you get more for Nash at the deadline with salaries prorated etc. not many contenders would want his full bill now but interest would be high at deadline if he’s healthy.

    Could help increase our numbers in terms of draft position next year.

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  43. What if the Rangers are firmly in the playoffs at that point? Do you pull a Yandle non move? Have to strike now. More likely to get a player. Deadline you are more likely to get pick. Or prospects.

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  44. BDL- trading your best forward now without replacing him is telling the team we aren’t making it this year, it’s ok, don’t worry about it. May as well SW what they can get for Hank because in this case he wouldn’t be against waiving his NMC

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  45. I quite honestly would rather trade him now than lose him for nothing like yandle. Now if the rangers make moves (which they very well may) that seem like they could challenge, then maybe I consider some other option.

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  46. Your best forward was not your most productive; when you are injured, the team still pays you even when you are not producing.
    Nash needs to be packaged for a RD now.
    If he gets to injured again before next seasons deadline, there is very low return.
    15M+ for 38 goals the last two seasons

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  47. BDL – the type of team that would go for Nash would be a contender with limited cap room. Once they go through 3/4 of season the remainder would be acceptable to those contenders.

    At the present time this team is not a contender.

    I guess we could trade him if we eat 1/2 the salary. Still would get more at the deadline. Likely a 1st rd pick.

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  48. Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay

    Gorton says he spoke with Kevin Klein 10 days ago, agreed to talk soon. “Don’t have answer about what he’s going to do”

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  49. I don’t think Gorton cares about Hank and his bleeping window. If Hank has to be the backup to the Russian kid, (like MAF and Matt Murray), when they win, so be it. Gorton is building something.

    I think Eric is spot-on about Trouba and MacKinnan. Go-Big or go-home. We shouldn’t waist our time with Shattenkirk and over priced, older, one-dimensional players. Been there. Done that.

    I think Trouba is more realistic than MacKinnan.

    Does DeAngelo, Holden and a combination of either Kreider or Miller and/or picks get us Trouba?
    If so, do that and sign Bonino and Smith if there’s money there. Move Nash the deadline for a 1C rental if there’s one available.

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  50. If you trade him now you have a chance to replace him.
    I’m not a trade Nash, he sucks guy. But they have made two moves now that say they are going in a different direction.

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  51. Replace him with what or who BDL

    This year is a step back with an eye toward a better future. Nash brings more value to us at the deadline.

    Short-term pain long – term gain

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  52. Toronto would be a good trading partner for Nash; send him home for a last harrah on a young team needing a vet presence and Babcock likes his backchecking…
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    Klein already moved out of Rye and is traveling around US/Canada with family. His salary comes off the books as well. ~ $23M+ (1C, 4C, RD1, RD2)

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  53. And at the deadline, when Nash is hurt, what do you suppose his value will be. Now is the time.

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  54. no market for him now BDL

    the teams that would be interested don’t have that kind of cap space. The bottom feeders would have n interest.

    it’s the same thing leaguewide every year. Best value is at the deadline for sellers. I expect us to be sellers from all indications at this time.

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  55. I’m pretty sure Nash’ partial ntc included not going to a Canadian team.

    Again, like Stepan I don’t think you give him away or move them without having a replacement in mind.

    I trade Nash to vegas for Neal. 😉

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  56. Alex – there is a market for Nash; teams like Toronto, Minny, Edm and St Louis would love to have him for one year.
    trade him, possible eat some salary, for an RD2; throw in a pick or a prospect indeed be.
    Henks window opens up to the Ledge…

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  57. SN

    Far better market at the deadline. History proves that teams will overpay when they get a player for a short time prorated. Nash is way overpaid but on prorated basis its digestable

    People need to have some patience.

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  58. Is that E3?????!!!

    If you’re trading Nash now or soon, then rebuild, because you have no shot. Which is fine. The Rangers can use their cap space as an asset, eat a lot of Nash’s cap hit this coming season, which would sweeten the pot and enlarge the return from a contender. Trade Nash to a good team and eat $4M or $5M, maybe you can bring back a first rounder plus. I don’t think it would be a terrible move. But the season’s over if your top six are Topo, Zika, Hayes, Kreider, Miller and V-Easy.

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  59. At this point it’s over anyway Carp! And there isn’t too much JG can do this summer to improve their chances. Just my opinion.

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  60. Trouba needs to be the play first. Then you get the center to follow. However we get back to being a true contender first is direction we need to go with Hank window. I believe the right d is forefront over center because the center can be a stop gap

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  61. They can be competitive without Nash and have been when he was out the last 2 seasons; particularly if they shore up the back line and get a top 6 center.
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    Alex – the point you are missing is the injury risk; obviously the trade deadline will provide the most return but an injury would render that timing moot.
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    They were given 2 kicks at the can and the Brass rightfully realizes this nucleus will not lead a parade down Broadway.
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    I would trade Shampoo Boy if there were any takers at his inflated salary (ducks)

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  62. Agreed – we haven’t addressed the need for a top pair RD yet.

    And honestly, if Shattenkirk is the play – he’s not the right partner for McDonagh. We’d waste McD’s offensive instincts because he’d be the one hanging back a bit.

    But I’m in the small minority of people who would be okay with Shattenkirk – IF he was willing to go less term. Give him 7.5m per for 4 years. Then – play Skjei on right with McD and Shattenkirk with smith (who i would give $4m per for 3). Staal and DeAngelo on 3rd. Holden in the pressbox.

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  63. SN

    i don’t think they can shore up the 1c and 1 right d positions this season. This rebuild will take time.

    Injury is a risk of course but the level of assets we can get for Nash in feb vs now is much higher. By getting a better pick this coming year for our own by being a lottery team and the haul we’ll get for Nash in feb both will accelerate the rebuild.

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  64. I agree with the right D acquisition because I don’t think there is a rd1 in free agency to get.

    Carp brings up an interesting point about the “top 6” forwards. Speculating from his post, he is of the opinion that not all of those guys are top 6 forwards and I agree. I only consider 3 of them maybe a 4th top 6 right now. If Nash is a top 6 still…then you need to get a top six for him if you move him and still add another.

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  65. carp may mean the site sometimes scrolls you to top where ads are so in those cases the more comments there are the more it’s a pain

    in that case it acts like a magnet even when you’re typing a comment.

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  66. Arthur Staple‏Verified account
    @StapeNewsday

    Today’s highlight: NYR scouting dir. Gordie Clark announcing team’s 6th-round pick: “New York Islanders select…” (1/3)

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  67. Does anyone else have an issue of the site randomly scrolling you to the top where the ads are?

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  68. in the brooks article he had this item. i’d say shattenkirk can be added to that as well

    “What does 30-year-old T.J. Oshie’s eight-year, $46 million contract extension mean? It means he will become a Washington amnesty buyout following Owners’ Lockout IV.

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  69. Not for nothing, but I have yet to see Shampoo Boy’s heartfelt goodbye text to Derek Stepan. Maybe he is busy “relaxing.”

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  70. I agree with Wicky, it’s about winning the Cup, not making the Dolan’s playoff money. The playoff run is nice, but not when you always come up short. I thought the Rangers should definitely trade Stephan and can’t disagree about trading Raanta, given the fact that he will be leaving next year. My problem is the return they received. They should have gotten Murphy not the head case we received. Should have also received two Picks, #7 and a 2nd or 3rd rounder). The poor trade was compounded with, IMO, a poor choice at #7. They should have gotten much more of a difference maker at #7, not another jasper Fast. Both players were rated much lower than where the Rangers picked them. Could have traded down to get them and gotten more picks. Isles were able to get a first and 2 seconds for Hamonic so we should have gotten more for a 2nd possible first line center and an excellent backup/ potential starting goalie.

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  71. So we are a lottery team for buying out G, losing a 4th line center, and trading away the 1C that everybody says is at best a 2C? In that case, why buy out G this year instead of waiting one more when the hit is less since DeAngermangement is clearly not viewed as comparable to G?

    Assuming mgt. finds at least another 2C (Step replacement) we are no worse than last year. Oscar was a nice player but is easily replaced. Y’all hated G so how much worse can the new guy be? Are the current kids (THE, Hated, Dazed, Zib, Buch) going to go backwards? Have to expect improvement as a group even if not uniform.

    Unless they continue the dump by moving Nash/Zuc/HL for young ones or picks, I see this team making the playoffs again and out in a round or two. They may be unlikely to really challenge for another year or two, but its not a lotto team. Hopefully they hold onto the cap wad for next summer when there will be more UFAs – no Kirk!

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  72. I don’t think they’re planning on dumping anyone or not competing next year. There are moves that can be made between now and then. Nash is on the last year of his deal which may mean a few different things the mot important of which is more cap room next season.
    And I don’t know what they plan on doing w Smith but I’m still expecting him re-signed. Whether that gets done before July 1 idk.
    But Eric is right. Team priority is getting a top pair defender before all else

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  73. Also want to mention- Very happy with the addition of Ruff, I think it’s smart to have the experience. I had said a year ago that maybe trying to get a guy like Ron Wilson or similar as an assistant coach would be a good play. Just find it ironic that Dallas had one of the worst defenses in the league last year (even if injuries and depth played a role)

    And as for Trouba, I am beginning to doubt that the Rangers have anything Winnipeg would want badly enough to part with a player that’s quite a commodity in this league.

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  74. What’s with the Kovalchuk talk btw? With the young talent this team has on the wing and the players that as of now are headed for UFA status next season, I don’t know if I buy into this “must have game changer” crap. 34 year old, didn’t like a lot of things about his game or his attitude when he was in the NHL.

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  75. Gorton’s comment that this is a rebuild on the fly tells me he is not going all out on spending this summer. He still may be looking at a #1 RD but probably no one we would expect. And a couple of center’s to fill tbe holes. I think he is aware the window is pretty much closed. It’s time to build through the draft while trying to stay competitive. It’s where this organization is thanks to cigar face!

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  76. And I will say this again no Shatner-Kirk and no Jumbo Joe. Will be a complete waste of cash, and will accomplish little!

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  77. Eli, here’s the thing. It doesn’t get much better in the UFA crop of dmen next season either. John Carlson is probably next years Shatty. Other than him and Grudbranson there’s not much in the way of RD. So It’s still going to have to require a trade of some sort to get what they need.

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  78. Yes James I agree. I wasn’t suggesting a RD through FA. Just that he would trade for someone we least expect.

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  79. By lottery team that means any team not in the playoffs. I believe there will be regression for Rangers for a few reasons and some other teams will get a few more points. Some people minimize it but I think we’ll miss Raanta a lot and Henrik ended the season in Europe with knee issue. Trading Stepan and losing his contract helps down the road, not so much for this year though.

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  80. I don’t think we can decide if they’ll regress this year until we see if Gorton can pull off another deal or two.

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  81. So far, we’ve lost Lindberg, Stepan, and Raanta for Del Zaster 2.0, cap space, and draft picks.

    Woof.

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  82. The best? Gorton’s move tells us something else. Just because he played 1st pair doesn’t mean he was best option.
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    IMO they felt McD could make up for G’s regression and nobody else could. How many D coaches will be moved before folks realize this D is not so good. It ain’t the coaches fault…

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  83. My goodness Carp, its blasphemy to leave out Girardi!

    So:
    Danny G
    Step On
    Auntie
    Machine

    For:
    Del Zaster 2.0
    Cap space
    Draft picks

    Woof woof!

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  84. This years UFA class is weak. So I looked at the RFAs. ( offer sheet not happening). Two guys I would think about targeting with an offer sheet are, Michael Granlund, and Nino Neidereiter. The Wild may be up against it right now. The Rangers have cap space to do it.

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  85. Finally, some much-needed charachter added to the team. Love it.

    Gorton is building his own vision of this team. Tho, I am worried still seeing Sather around.

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  86. BDL

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offer_sheet

    draft picks table on what rfas cost besides the cap space we’d be using and I don’t just mean year 1.

    you really won’t settle for a rebuild will you.

    2005 Averaged Salary 2017-18 Averaged Salary Draft Pick Compensation
    $660,000 and below $1,295,571 and below No compensation
    $660,001 to $1,000,000 $1,295,572 to $1,962,986 Third-round pick
    $1,000,001 to $2,000,000 $1,962,987 to $3,925,975 Second-round pick
    $2,000,001 to $3,000,000 $3,925,976 to $5,888,960 First- and third-round pick
    $3,000,001 to $4,000,000 $5,888,961 to $7,851,948 First-, second-, and third-round pick
    $4,000,001 to $5,000,000 $7,851,949 to $9,814,935 Two first-round picks and a second- and third-round pick
    $5,000,001 and above $9,814,936 and above Four first-round picks

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  87. so it would probably be a 1 and 3 or a 1 2 and 3 plus accompanying cap space that can’t be used elsewhere

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  88. I like the fact that Deangelo is an angry player. I hope the Rangers don’t try to change that to much.

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  89. Also, average salary for the draft picks compensation purposes for any contract longer than 5 years ( in this case either 6 or 7) is calculated over 5 years. So the compensatory picks for long contracts are much higher.

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  90. Gorton was a highly-regarded GM-of-the-future as Sather’d understudy. Boston was very interested in him, but we didn’t allow an interview. I’m sure other teams were keeping tabs as well. So that tells me that when he got offered the Rangers job, if there were even a possibility that Sather had the last word, he would’ve told them to take a hike.
    Sather sticks around because he’s a rink rat, gets paid millions to suck on an old cigar, and the amount of effs Dolan gives about the Rangers is directly tied to “the hall of famer Team President that I’m friends with.”
    I’m sure he gets to go to all the meetings, nods his head, makes some off-color jokes, and keeps wondering why Lou Nanne isn’t calling him back.
    What I’m trying to say is – what has two thumbs and is not at all concerned about Glen sather’s indluence? This guy.

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  91. So what would you like to do with the 20 mill in cap space. Put it under your mattress for safe keeping?

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  92. Someone who plays with emotion?! Straight into the lineup you go! I’ll take the good with the bad on this one. This team currently plays like they are at an accountants convention. We need some criminal mischief on the ice to fire things up. Welcome aboard, screws loose and all.

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  93. Maybe give it to Nick Bonino, or Jumbo Joe. How about Shatennkirk? Flush the cap space down the crapper.

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  94. BDL

    i have no idea how old you are. We just disagree on how to build a team. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move up. We’re at that point now. I don’t want to give up those picks AND future cap space regardless of whether we have the cap space this year.

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  95. Thanks, Tom. I have to say, I think the ref is a little too forceful. I wouldn’t be happpy if someone grabbed my jersey with. Oath hands like that. And I’m far from being hot headed. He also clearly tells him to get the byfuglien off of him.

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  96. Alex,
    You want to rebuild this team? A team with Vesey, Buchnevich, Kreider, Miller, Hayes, Zibanijad, McD, and Skjei on it. All guys in their prime or hitting their prime. Me, I would much prefer to add to this group.

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  97. BDL

    never said YOU were 80 although what you propose sounds like somebody who doesn’t care a bit about the future. Current year mentality. I said if I were 80 I’d think differently than I do.

    Gorton himself said rebuild on the fly. To me that does not mean going the rfa route nor does it involve signing a Shattenkirk to a crazy contract.

    If there’s a Grabner type contract for a year or 2 for a position of need heck yes.

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  98. Pionk, Graves, Deangelo, and Day coming soon. Not a fan, but Fast and Zucc in their primes. Rebuild you say, let’s start over from scratch. Save that cap space for a rainy day.

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  99. I get it Alex. That’s why I suggested using the cap space on one of two young players. You want to sit on the cap space, or sign a Grabner again. I like my way better, even though offer sheet not happening.

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  100. Hoping he grows on me as a player BDL. I certainly don’t think much of him as a human being thus far

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  101. BDL

    and I hate the idea of an offer sheet. Thankfully they won’t go that route so moot point.

    No more trading of picks. That is not the way to win a cup.

    You’ll be surprised how quickly that cap space will disappear anyway starting with Mika signing long term.

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  102. I would be absolutely fine with Jumbo Joe on a 1 or 2 year.

    If they’d rather go the 3C route – I bet you can find a team that feels that their perfectly-effective $3M center is a bit too pricey for their blood, and might take a cheap serviceable player like Holden in a semi-pure cap space deal scenario. Chicago for instance – how about Marcus Krüger? I know Hossa got the gunk and Hjalmarsson was moved, but they’re always looking for a way to get out from under a contract. They’re also a bit light on defense. I know Vegas said they’d take him on, just for salary, but what if they don’t have to? Holden for Kruger straight up.

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  103. I don’t think for a second that the rangers will “sit” on a bunch of cap space.

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  104. Let me ask this question: forget the long term ramifications right now. Would the next two years of Shattenkirk be a significant upgrade in your opinions? Obviously he has his flaws. Every player does. Mcdonagh isn’t perfect, neither is Weber, Subban, Doughty etc. maybe he’s the best option if there’s not another option?

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  105. DeAngelo is too stupid to not say that the other guy started it and called him a name that was a slur on Italians. However, I don’t think you can slur Italians or Irish any more, they’re on their own.

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  106. Which could also be bad if 30 foot pole shattenkirk is still available.

    You can win a cup by trading draft picks and young players…although I’m not sure if it’s been done since 1994 😉

    You also cannot win a cup with a crap coach 😉

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  107. James – I don’t mind Shattenkirk’ game at all. for that level of offense from a dman, you pay a price in the defensive aspect of the game – so he’s need a partner who could cover a bit more. McD could do it, but then you waste HIS offense. Staal isn’t ideal at this stage. Smith would be great. But then Skjei would move to the right, but if he played with McDonagh, that’s not a bad idea.
    So I like Shattenkirk, but he’s not the McD partner answer. But he does fit a big need.
    Imagine DeAngelo learning how to power play from Shattenkirk?

    If only we could give Shat a little more in salary and less in term.

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  108. I don’t want a fancypants playing with Donuts, just a capable defense oriented defenseman who plays cautiously and has enough speed to get back when the Captain tries to play Bobby Orr.

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  109. I have zero problems trading pucks for NHL players in their prime.

    There are some pretty freaking good players out there rumoured to be available…two of which can play centre in Galchenyuk and duchene. Id rather have either of them than the 2 first round picks we drafted.

    I’d sure send Kreider somewhere for an upgrade at talent/centre or right D IF we get Niederreiter on an offer sheet.

    I’d rather have either one of those players than both the

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  110. Would anyone here be willing to trade skjei/Hayes/ and Kreider or miller for Draisatil? It’s overpayment for sure. Skjei and Kreider or miller would be enough if either one of them were centers, but i don’t think skjei/Hayes (although I think would be win-win for both sides) would be enough to make chariella say ‘I have to make this deal even though it makes me want to puke trading drais”

    Edmonton could go McDavid-RNH-Hayes. Have skjei RFA controlled for a bunch of years, and add either Kreider or miller to their winger stable.

    Rangers get the center you need, abiet at a huge cost.

    I won’t overpay tremendously to get the 1st pair d, think we can put together a dynamic 1-6 that will negate the need for that guy. But I’ll pay for the center. Not giving that offer for mackinnon though, two of the 3 and other assets is all that I’d do for mackinnon. Until he shows otherwise he’s a little lower than draistil.

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  111. Also 3rd and 4th line centre depth available in free agency probably. Guys like hanzal, Thompson, and bonino among others perhaps.

    IF (notice the “big” if) z pack is your 1C and (gulp) if Hayes is your 2C, you can have hanzal and Thompson as your 3 and 4 centres as an example. Certainly not terrible. My biggest concern would be Hayes as 2C in that hypothetical line up.

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  112. Gorton really restocked the prospect pool this year. It will probably take another year of similar drafting and I think the Rangers will be OK.

    IF they got hit with similar injuries to Nashville or other teams in the playoffs, I think it would have been ugly.

    I have to admit, this looks a lot better than last year:

    1. Buchnevich
    2. DeAngelo
    3. Andersson
    4. Shestyorkhin
    5. Bereglazov
    6. Chytil
    7. Graves
    8. Day
    9. Huska
    10. Zborovskiy
    11. Wall
    12. Pionk
    13. Nieves
    14. Gettinger
    15. Kovacs

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  113. Wicky I don’t think offer sheets are realistic. I think they should be but they’re just not. I’d only want Galchenyuk if the plan was to sign Tavares next year and move And move Hayes out. TJ-Zibby-Galchenyuk down the middle is championship caliber

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  114. Someone will have to overpay for Nick Bonino and his 2 Stanley Cups. He’s 29, and made under $6M over the last 3 years. He’ll be looking for maximum terms in terms of money and length.

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  115. Tom B

    plus Zika and other rfas don’t count yet. also to flesh out the team.

    the 23 million counts 16 guys (17 less klein) . so say zika at 5 million takes that full amount off for starters. 6 more guys at 1 million each in some cases more like smith would be 4 million.

    again the 23 million gets eaten up pretty fast no pun intended.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/rangers

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  116. Tomb –

    $5m – Zika
    $2m – Fast
    $4m – Smith

    That leaves us $12M for a 2/3C center, 4c, 4LW, depth winger, a top-pairing caliber D, and a backup goalie.

    Boo Nieves should be our 4C. The price is right and it’s his job to lose. ~$1m
    Backup goalie will probably be someone we bring in on the cheap. ~$1M
    2/3C center – I mentioned earlier that I would target Marcus Kruger, trading Nick Holden. $3m – $1.6m = $1.4M
    LW4 – Lauri Korpikoski can be had for $800k easy. You could do worse on line 4.
    Depth winger – For arguments sake, you can bring back Tanner Glass for ~$800k. You could also hope someone like Kovacs or Tambellini is ready to make the jump. Hrivik would’ve fit. I would PREFER to pay a 13th forward as close to the minimum as possible. Let’s say Unnamed prospect at $600k.

    So without adding a top dman, we just spent $4.8m of our remaining $12m. Leaving $7.2m for the aforementioned first-pair defenseman.

    We certainly have enough for Shattenkirk if we wanted.

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  117. Dave

    Fast will most likely miss first month so we either go with 22 man roster or 23 in which case we count 24 contracts toward cap for that period. Long term injury is pretty convoluted. Also teams generally try to keep under cap by at least 1 million since when others get hurt they count and their replacement counts too.

    On the other side a puempel or deangelo/kampfer could be sent down which adds to the cap room.

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  118. “Many asking what I think of #NYR weekend. Can’t fully evaluate til you see Gorton’s next moves to add C, D and backup G.-Jim Cerny

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  119. Gotcha Alex.

    In that case – if they REALLY want Shattenkirk, we need to go bridge with Zika. And bridge deals always hurt you in the long run, so I’m hoping Gorton breaks that trend. Having said that, I wouldn’t be surprised if Zika’s agent insists on a 1-year in the 4’s. he’s coming off a injury-filled sub-par year, and he’s looking like the uncontested 1C next season. Might be time for him to bet on himself.

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  120. Nieves does not seem to have what it takes especially when you consider who the rangers used as their 4Cs last season before lindberg was 100%

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  121. No to shattenkirk unless it’s 3-4 yrs at most and cap hit of 5 mil which lets get real he would never sign that.

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  122. Kinda strange that Avalanche, one of the worst teams in the past 3 or 4 years haven’t done anything to improve or even slightly shake crap up. Calm before the storm?

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  123. Dave and Alex – thanks, I know i glossed over it but it is so nice to have cap room, I was just threw something out there.

    About Sakic – living here in Denver, I hear lots of talk. Sakic says he was never offered enough for Duchene. I can support him for not making a move just to say he did something. Maybe he will wait to deadline. Decent draft, he took the guy Gorton wanted maybe.

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  124. I can’t imagine how valuable Hayes would be at 6’5 , 225 had he a bit of snarl and pizzazz. As it is, he is now, (and will continue to be) OK but mediocre. Would not at all bother me if he was sent packing so long as we get some definitive value.

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  125. I was a one time drunken sailor, so I am offended by that remark and will insist upon an apology and a 3 day suspension for Carp. Comments like his are hurtful and there is no place for that in the current world of hockey commentary. Shame!

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  126. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/columnist/allen/2017/06/25/nhl-free-agents-2017-ranking-radulov-shattenkirk/427123001/

    15 ufas listed

    3. Defenseman Brendan Smith: In terms of the number of teams interested, Smith could be the hottest UFA. He could attract half of the league because he should be reasonably priced. He showed his value after the Detroit Red Wings dealt him to the New York Rangers at the trade deadline. Smith can defend, contribute offensively, play a feisty game and be a quality teammate. Good fit: Rangers

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  127. Rangers with cap space? History says it will be used.

    That saved cap space does them no good.

    I am actually excited about the prospects’ camp. Lots of new faces.

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  128. 4 years 28 million max. If Shattenkirk would take that then I say do it and resign Smith. That puts him around 33 years old. About the time modern day dmen get put to pasture

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  129. James-I don’t see Shattenkirk taking that and I’m ok with that because to me, he’s a beefier version of Yandle. Let the Islanders or the Bruins or Devils have him.

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  130. Thought about that too Alex. And don’t get me wrong I’ve been against signing him and this is all hypothetical anyhow. He may not be the best option but the best attainable one. They sure picked a lousy summer to have 23 million in cap space lol

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  131. Tom I very much doubt he would take a four year contract. I’m guessing wherever he signs will be for 7 years. I have no desire to invest in dmen who cannot play defense.
    With that said, the only other way to acquire a top pair guy is a trade. And that’s going to require sacrificing another roster player

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  132. most of the top “defense” guys we want to trade for were drafted pretty early in the draft. another reason i want to start keeping our picks.

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  133. If Gorton wants to compete this year,(and I believe he does), he’s going to have to swing at least one more trade because although the ufa market will get us a solid back-up goalie and maybe a couple more pieces, it’s not going to be enough, (particularly when you weed out guys who will get over-paid this time around).

    FWIW-I don’t think Trouba is as unrealistic as some people assume. Not saying it wouldn’t be costly, but I think Gorton might be able to pull it off and still make this team better.

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  134. Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay

    At deadline, Rangers qualify RFA winger Nicklas Jensen, but not Brandon Pirri, Adam Clendening, or “Buffalo Killer” Mackenzie Skapski.

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  135. The Rangers qualified Jensen, but not the other 3 guys. I’m a little confused ( I’m 80 after all), Jensen could barely get a sniff in a season in a half. Does this mean he’s good, and AV refused to use him, or does this mean Gorton doesn’t know what he is doing.

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  136. Even minus Stepan, we have a pretty deep Top-9 of (in no particular order) Nash, Kreider, Zika, Hayes, Miller, Zuccarello, Vesey, Buchnevich, and Grabner. If a move needs to be made to get a Trouba-type, we could weather the storm if Kreider absolutely needed to be available. Miller probably becomes a bit more valuable internally due to our sudden lack of center depth and his ability to shift back to said position.
    Good thing Edmonton set the market of middling right-shot defensemen at Taylor Hall.

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  137. Jensen is a question mark, but he has a pedigree as a former first rounder. Pirri – we know who he is. Clendening doesn’t have a fan in AV. Skapski on borrowed time since we have better goalie prospects ahead of him.
    I could see Jensen challenging Its-Hard-Out-Here-For-A-Puempel for a 4th line or utility role.

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  138. Zika, Couch both qualified. Not Skapski, Gerund (the Miracle Met), Pirri, Hrivik.

    Hearing Hrivik asked to be set free. And for those discussing, I think they like Jensen but thought he wasn’t quite ready last season. doesn’t mean he will be ready this season.

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  139. Hearing it’s very unlikely Thornton comes to NY because A) he’s older than dirt, B) he just had ACL and MCL tears, C) he wants to stay in SJ, D) He wants three years minimum, E) he doesn’t seem interested in New York.

    also, F) the Rangers aren’t very keen on doing that.

    But if he did come for one year, or two (money would be irrelevant) he’d be their No. 1 center by a mile.

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  140. I love going back and reading some of the comments of you guys about pirri at the beginning of the season lol

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  141. I was just thinking that Wicky. I was very high on them signing him, and after the first few weeks I thought he was the steal of the summer. Heh

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  142. Which goalie will Gorton target? Chad Johnson, Darcy Kuemper, Mike Condon, Anders Nilsson, Jonas Enroth, Bernier, Mason?

    Might it be worth trading for one of these guys’ rights before July 1? I’m sure they have a couple guys in mind. What could it cost? A low draft pick?

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  143. I saw that Wick. Can’t argue about the mask!

    Got to believe that Allaire’s going to have a lot of input on this decision and he’s also a huge incentive for all of these guys to come here.

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  144. Wick – Pirti has great mitts but cannot skate, amazing how long he has been in the league since he, ya know, can’t skate.

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  145. Hrivik probably just elected to become group 6 FA without giving them a choice to qualify him. I’m a little surprised about Clendening. Still 24, wouldn’t cost them much to retain his rights.

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  146. Instead of constantly looking elsewhere for help, it’s freaking high time this organization starts looking at how to maximize the current roster. I mean there is skill on that ice but it is never maximized. Is that the so-called ‘system’ or is that just poor coaching or what? AV needs to figure that out real quick because he is NOT getting the best out of this roster. Too much is left in the tank too often. Crack the whip starting now.

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  147. Ohio

    I agree with Carp. It’s lacking high end talent and did so the last few years. Other key players got hurt or old too.

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  148. I like that DeAngelo has an edge, he’s also young (and stupid) and fills a need. He could easily slot 3rd pair and PP specialist. The key now to this off-season is what happens next.

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  149. I don’t mind Jumbo Shrimp as a fill-in for a year (or two) if they think Andersson is the future 1/2C or that over the course of the next season or two Hayes or MikaZ (or maybe even MillerTime) figure out how to become 1C. But if paying Bubba Gump Thornton procludes us from signing/trading for a younger long-term option or a top righty D then its a “No” from me.

    For me the priority order would be:
    Top pair Righty D – i think we’ll get Shatty
    Top 6 center – i think we’ll go for Duchene or MacKinnon or maybe Galchenyuk
    Backup goalie – Anders Nilsson

    Bottom 6 role types we have on the farm, Boo Nieves, Nicklas Jensen and will come a lot cheaper than a vet 4th liner.

    It really is going to be an interesting week. When its over we’ll see what Gorton can achieve. At the moment we have a worse team than a week ago, but the cap space to make it much much better.

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  150. Alex and Carp, yes this is currently not a championship roster but we are not a rebuild away either. We need maybe 2 or 3 pieces. BUT, if the coaches can get more out of these players then they are even closer than that. (Either through better PP, better lines, better compete level, etc) Too often the entire team played as if there would be zero consequences if they just stopped competing, so they seemingly did just that. The team did not seem unified or vested in the outcome at all. That’s on the coach IMO, and I like AV but he’s too damn easy on these guys.

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